I'd like to Welcome jlong40 to our Forum

[Tom Shirley]

Thanks for joining us here jlong40, I look forward to hearing what has peaked your & the Mrs. interest in this Research.

Tom S.

[Jan]

Welcome to the forum. Pull up a chair and sit a while. Hope you find your time here to be enjoyable. Post anytime.
Yours,
Jan

[jlong40]

Well, I suppose what peaked my interest to start with was the PGF and the movie "The Mysterious Monsters", which I saw when I was in the 2nd grade.
As I grew up over the years, I knew some people who had had sightings around Arkansas, and Oklahoma. I've never seen one myself, but I've had some other experiences in my life that just show you we don't understand many things about our world and universe. My wife is very in tune with animals, and after knowing me she has seen the PGF and read some of my books, and has become very intrigued. It is my dream some day to be part of an expedition. For me it is not about proving it's existence, but to see something few human beings get to see. Thanks for welcoming me to this site, I'm sure I will be here often.

[Tom Shirley]

Thank You for your introduction jlong40, the Patty film has inspired a lot of folks. Have you looked around in the Gallery at some of the work that MK Davis has done on some of the frames?

The reason we feel the need to prove their existence to a Panel of Scientists, will be the only way that we will be able to acquire Protection Laws. There has to be a Stop to the "Trying to bag one for Science" theory. It just isn't fair to them or their Family members.

Tom S.

[jlong40]

Yes, I see the need for that. Killing one for the sake of proof doesn't seem right for any living creature, humanoid or otherwise. I was speaking strictly for myself. To see one for myself would be all the proof I would personally need.

[Tom Shirley]

jlong40,

I understand you very well about seeing one for yourself, is all the proof you need.

I also understand your mention of your wife being in tune with animals, as I have noticed this in myself. Horses are amazing at getting your attention without whinnying when you are in the house. I also have a dog that picks up on me when I look out the window to check on her. I would not make any noise going to the window and she would be asleep, but after a few seconds she would look right towards me, just amazing.

Tom S.

[jlong40]

Yes, my wife is very much like that. On the farm where she grew up, she could tell when something was wrong with one of the cattle, even if she didn't see it around. She would get a feeling and search the property and eventually find the stricken animal, and usually successfully nurse them back to health, though not always, sometimes it is just too late. She has countless stories like that. I know you don't think of Bigfoot as animals, but as in tune with nature as she seems to be if I were heading an expedition I would take her along, she just seems to have a way with such things. Your comment about horses sounds very much like something she would say indeed.

[Tom Shirley]

Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Almasty/etc.. & Homo Sapiens are a type of animal (primates) but more advanced than the less advanced animal, aka, the food source. Now I am not saying that the Forest Friends are equal to us in their advancement but they have not had the need to walk on the moon. So yes I see them as an animal also but maybe more advanced than you see them.

This quote below with highlights is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human for comparrision, we are not saying that the Forest Friends are Homo sapiens but a very close relation. 1% difference in DNA from us.

Human beings, or humans (Homo sapiens — Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin): "wise human" or "knowing human"[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-1)) are bipedal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipedalism) primates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) in the family Hominidae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-3) DNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA) evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) about 200,000 years ago.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-4) Humans have a highly developed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization) brain, capable of abstract reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction), language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language), introspection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection), and emotional suffering. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the forelimbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forelimb) (arms) for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool) than any other species. Humans now inhabit every continent on Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth), except Antarctica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica) (although several governments maintain permanent research stations there, inhabited for short periods by scientists and other researchers). Humans also now have a continuous presence in low Earth orbit, occupying the International Space Station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station). The human population on Earth now amounts to over 6.6 billion, as of May 2008.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-popclock-5)
Like most primates, humans are social by nature. However, they are particularly adept at utilizing systems of communication for self-expression, exchanging of ideas, and organization. Humans create complex social structures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure) composed of many cooperating and competing groups, from families (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family) to nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation). Social interactions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interaction) between humans have established an extremely wide variety of traditions, rituals, ethics, values, social norms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_%28sociology%29), and laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law), which together form the basis of human society. Humans have a marked appreciation for beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty) and aesthetics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics), which, combined with the desire for self-expression, has led to cultural innovations such as art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art), literature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literature) and music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music).
Humans are notable for their desire to understand and influence the world around them, seeking to explain and manipulate natural phenomena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomena) through science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science), philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy), mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology) and religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion). This natural curiosity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity) has led to the development of advanced tools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool) and skills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill); humans are the only extant species known to build fires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires), cook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook) their food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food), clothe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes) themselves, and manipulate and develop numerous other technologies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology). Humans pass down their skills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill) and knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge) to the next generations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations) through education (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education).
Taken from above with my thoughts below.
Humans have a highly developed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization) brain, capable of abstract reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction), language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language), introspection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection), and emotional suffering.What we are trying to help others understand with this Forum is what we have found with our Research. As I stated above that the FFs have not had the need to walk on the moon, but we have found that they do have a highly developed brain to an extent as needed in their lives.

They have abstact reasoning ( avoiding us for so many years, avoiding camera traps, etc..) They have language and communicate with each other so they exchage ideas, see here > (http://www.bigfootreferenceguide.com/showthread.php?t=87)

Humans have a marked appreciation for beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty) and aesthetics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics), which, combined with the desire for self-expression, has led to cultural innovations such as art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art), literature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literature) and music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music). There are many Researchers that are finding different types of structures being tree arches, teepee formations, housing shelters, etc.. There are also reports of the FFs being heard using other types of instruments as drums. Jan has told me about an old popcorn tin that she offered and she would hear one of Fox's family drumming on it. Later when she recovered this popcorn tin, she said it was just all dented and smashed up. This to me sounds like expression of music.

humans are the only extant species known to build fires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires), cook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook) their food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food), clothe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes) themselves Please notice the ((known)) here. See the images of the Patterson/Gimlin film footage frames enhanced by MK Davis. What other type of "animal' puts braided pony tails and herring bone decorations in their hair? See images here >> http://www.bigfootreferenceguide.com/Gallery/v/MK_Davis_/ also I am not sure where to find the image at this time of a FF that is wearing an animal skin as a hood.

jlong40, I am not at all trying to be mean here in any way with what I have said, I just wanted to explain in as much detail as possible that I can at this time of characteristics of the FFs that we and others have found. I just wanted to clarify that we do see them as a type of animal, but we are also.

Tom S.

[bigfootr]

Welcome To The forums friend!

Have some Welcoming green Tea! *no poison* :D#

[Tom Shirley]

Yes, my wife is very much like that. On the farm where she grew up, she could tell when something was wrong with one of the cattle, even if she didn't see it around. She would get a feeling and search the property and eventually find the stricken animal, and usually successfully nurse them back to health, though not always, sometimes it is just too late. She has countless stories like that. I know you don't think of Bigfoot as animals, but as in tune with nature as she seems to be if I were heading an expedition I would take her along, she just seems to have a way with such things. Your comment about horses sounds very much like something she would say indeed.

jlong40,

I bet that your wife would be a great Researcher with having these capabilities. She should talk to Jan though before she attempts trying her abilities with this Research. There are circumstances that she needs to be aware of before hand so that she will be prepared with the out come if she does make a connection. If your wife would like to chat with Jan sometime, send me a personal message.

Tom S.

[jlong40]

[QUOTE=Tom S;2509]Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Almasty/etc.. & Homo Sapiens are a type of animal (primates) but more advanced than the less advanced animal, aka, the food source. Now I am not saying that the Forest Friends are equal to us in their advancement but they have not had the need to walk on the moon. So yes I see them as an animal also but maybe more advanced than you see them.

Indeed, I am glad to hear this opinion, it is pretty close to my own. It is a hard thing to pin down to most, but I think this is one of the best explanaitions I have heard.

jlong40, I am not at all trying to be mean here in any way with what I have said, I just wanted to explain in as much detail as possible that I can at this time of characteristics of the FFs that we and others have found.

Not at all, I greatly appreciate the info. and can't thank you enough.

[jlong40]

jlong40,

I bet that your wife would be a great Researcher with having these capabilities. She should talk to Jan though before she attempts trying her abilities with this Research. There are circumstances that she needs to be aware of before hand so that she will be prepared with the out come if she does make a connection. If your wife would like to chat with Jan sometime, send me a personal message.

Tom S.

I will do that, thank you so much. I'm sure this is true.