When and why did you first start to suspect ....

[Sensitive]

... that BF might not be just animals?

I thought this might make for some interesting discussion.

As for me, I started to become suspicious because of several reports indicating problem-solving skills, forethought and compassion. Specifically, the report of a female picking up a little lost boy and returning him to his campsite, and pinning his legs to the ground with a heavy tree branch so he wouldn't run off before his parents came back, really spoke volumes to me.

The story of the arctic owl call being done by BF in Florida indicated a sharing of knowledge over time and distance.

And the whole stick structure thing ... clearly, there is a "code" to these things and we have yet to figure it out with a degree of certainty. This "code" hit me as pretty complex for "just an animal."

But what clinched it for me were the first recordings I heard of them talking, and the many reports of people hearing talking. The consistent description of it as "Chinese talking" (although I felt it sounded like Japanese) struck me as too common to be taken lightly. And it sounded like language to me.

[Henry.May08]

I had a revelation about 7 months ago that the possibility of Sasquatch being a big ape is virtually impossible, mainly because of that episode of Monsterquest from Snelgrove Lake (the DNA they got which came back human overall). Some on a lot of the message boards tried to claim that the sample was contaminated and that the screwboard had been sitting out in the elements, but I heard elsewhere that it was actually inside a screened porch and that it was only put outside for dramatic effect. I think the "Big Dumb Ape" proponents WANTED it to be a "contaminated sample" and discount the actual discovery that was made on the sample. That right there convinced me of two things-number 1, the Sasquatch is humanlike or a hominid; Number 2, the "Big Dumb Ape" proponents will grasp at any straw they can to discount the possibility of these individuals being humanlike or hominid. Now, the Sasquatch IS a primate, just as we ALL are primates, just a different kind of primate. I have also in recent weeks heard the Sierra Sounds with a different perspective where they do indeed have an articulated speech pattern (although they still can't pronounce the "e" vowel very well). Also, their footprints are too humanlike, they are nothing like an ape's feet. Yes, there are apelike tracks in the SOuth and Midwest, which may be a completely different species, a more apelike species of unknown primate that got to the US somehow, as has been theorized by Jay Michael, but the ones that have been experienced by certain people, including the articulated speech (which I heard myself several weeks ago in Area 143) indicates that overall they are human or hominid-like. This is a fascinating thread, Sensitive. Thanks for starting this up. :)

[Windspirit]

You guys sound so darn interesting!! Just wanted to add my two cents worth in. I had a male come up to me while sitting on my deck late one night. He came within 10ft. of where I was sitting and talking on the phone. Probably the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. He looked as human as any of us. At first I would just seek peeks. The lady I was talking to was a non believer at the time. So I just kept on talking with her and watching him. He looked just like Tot's picture of Bf. Long silky silver colored hair that shone in the full moon light. Very well groomed. Very nice looking and built beyond belief. He just stood there and watched me talk into that phone and cock his head like "Who are you talking with or What are you talking in?" I don't know how other to explain it other than he looks so different than the ape like ones. The difference between shopping at walmart and shopping on Beverly Hills Drive. Now on the ape like ones , there mouths are different. The hair is more course it looks to me. They aren't as well groomed either. Now me , I just figured some maybe breed with humans, some are in breed and this is the reason . Now on the Patty film she looks more ape like than this one that i see here . Tho she is what I call second to the human one. But then I have seen the more extreme ape like also. I have even seen one with real nappy hair and kind of tight curly hair. First thing I thought of was Welsh (my long haired husband) or African American mix? But this one was a young one. Windspirit

[Windspirit]

Almost forgot to say also that the more human like ones do more spirit talking. Where the ones like Patty will actually say words. Some in English and some in Native American. Where the ape like ones do more animal sounds and bird calls. Like owls , cherps, ducks , doves. This is just what I have observed with the ones around here. Can't say its its fact tho. Windspirit

[Regina]

OOOOOOOOOh this is an interesting thread!

I would love if Jan and Windspirit could come up with sort of a Bigfoot Guide.

I thought all Bigfoot looked like Patty in North America. Would it be possible to make a sketch of each of the different types? How many types are there on this continent, do you think?

It would also be neat to see descriptions of each regarding hunting patterns, skill/knowledge, speech patterns, language acquisition, telepathic communication, how close to humans they get, etc. etc.

What type does Jan have living near her and are they different from the ones near Windpirit?

Do we know any artists who could help?

Regina

[Jan]

I'm no artist. I use to take art in high school but fell out of practice a long time ago. Now I can't draw a stick house to look right.

Windspirit's and my Locals are basically the same. They are the same species of hominids at any rate. The differences comes in individual looks only. Like us they all have their own individual appearances, some have shorter hair than others, some have flat wide noses, others every type between flat and wide to small and petite. Some are tall and skinny, others fat and squat, and some tall and fat. The mature female usually has wide child bearing hips and after a few children has a belly that she doesn't loose easily, a baby pouch left over. I think they are all the same species, just different in individual looks like we are.

Now I will say this, I did live in South Carolina at one time. Back in 1988 if I have the year right, I witnessed what I assume was a Swamp Ape a.k.a. Bigfoot. This male, diffidently a male, was a tan/gray color, around six feet tall and not skinny, but not plump either. The unusual thing about him was he had fluffy hair that stuck out like a ruff of a dog around his face and this hair was black, it rimmed his face. At first I thought this was black swamp mud he had plastered in his face hair or something, but that was not the case. There was no caking of mud and the hair was fluffy and moving in a light breeze like your hair will sometimes do. He had a very white skinned face with a sort of chimpanzee muzzle and mouth. His nose was very human looking. Another unusual thing about him was I could not detect any color other than black eyes. I mean they were not brown and I could not see a pupil at all they were just black colored through and through. No white or other color to them. This sighting took place on highway 78 between Branchville and Reevesville out in a swamp like area. He didn't say or call out at all as I drove past him slowly.

Need to run for now, will post more later.
Jan

[Regina]

Wow Jan...now this is interesting. His description is different then other FF. Well, there are different varieties of genetics with humans, soooooooo...........

Thanks for posting...and if you have anymore to share, I would love to listen!

Regina

[Tom Shirley]

This is a great Thread Topic Sensitive.

I am sure most of you have read or heard how I came into this Research.

The way that I have been introduced, I have always been at the side of the fence that the FFs are more than just a big dumb ape.

When Jan taught me how to listen and be able to understand their tones of speech and I heard Wahump say "Their so funny lookin" and start to laugh, I realized how much like us they really are. And I could understand what they were saying back and forth to each other, just showed me how much their family was like one of our families. Nazari trying to be the boss and Wahump putting him in place also sounds soooo familiar.

Even though I have never been in doubt of them being less, I wanted to add my view to this great Thread.

Tom S. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c147/jbrowning/chewy.gif

[Jan]

As most know I was raised around the Forest people. I knew at a young age they could talk and have their own language. I also knew they could speak English. Maybe not as plain as we can but in some cases better than I can. With them talking English you have to listen closely. They talk fast most of the time. Really fast. If they talk slow they sometimes sort of sing out the words and they run them together. They do not say their T's correctly, the T comes out like a ACK or a Yak sound. They roll their R's and B's and carry out the OOOO sound like in the word Who only it is WHOOOOOOOOOOO. They have what we would consider backward sentence structure. As in the case of Nazari saying "Good will you want" instead of asking "Do you want good will".

Depending on the area they have come into contact with us English speaking folk will depend on their accents. And it is really funny to hear a big hairy fellow speaking English with a Irish accent. Here with Fox and his family members they will call to us, "Who are you all" in Ron and Allen's recordings they ask "Who are ya'll" some in a family group we worked with in Indiana ask "Who are ye", that sounds Amish to me and considering the area they are located at is surrounded by Amish townships it only makes sense that the Forest People would say Ye instead of you. Just imagine what a southern accent would sound like on a Georgia Forest Person. Yes those Georgia Bigfoot talk the slowest and most drawn out I ever heard.

People need to wake up and reconsider what we are truly dealing with here. These are some form of people, primate yes, a higher primate than the chimpanzee or the gorilla that can not speak any type of understandable language let alone English. Apes can not talk. These primates like us can talk and they make better sense when they talk than I do half the time, because I don't pronounce my words correctly or even spell correctly.

Placing the language behind us here. Lets say they could not talk. What else would make you think of them as something other than an animal?

I for one do not know of any other animal that makes blinds or digs trenches to hid in or behind in order to capture prey. I don't know of any animal be it chimp or baboon that hunts deer and other large prey for it's dinner. Don't know of any other animal that takes and uses the hide of that animal for a wrap or comfort in the weather. I don't know of any other ape that makes tee pee structures or lean-twos or wig-wams.

And beyond and above all others I do not know of any other ape except humans that swim in water or under water holding their breath. Place a chimp or gorilla in the water and they drown, they can not swim. I don't know of any other animal that has a foot with toes like ours. Apes have the off set big toe that acts like a thumb on their feet. I don't know of any other animal that bury their dead and have ceremonies and mourn their dead.

I don't know of any other animal or ape that can draw you a map of any given area they live in so that you can say here is a house, here is a barn, here is the well house the garage, the shed, the pine thicket, they sleeping area of their children, they sleeping area of the adults, the area they watch deer from the area they capture deer at. This list goes on and on.

We simply are not dealing with an ordinary animal here, we are dealing with an intelligent species of people/higher primate, whatever they are.
Yours,
Jan

[Lawrence Leavell]

I just have to wonder why the American "Bigfoot Researchers" insist upon that dumb ape theory when the rest of the entire world considers them intelligent? What distracted our own local researchers into such a silly direction and why is everyone so stubborn about insisting upon a point that has been pretty thoroughly trashed and discounted ever since that Ostman fellow was kidnapped in the 1920's?
This seems so strange and incredible that it cannot be simply an accident. It must be by design. I believe there are people masquerading as researchers in this field, some even highly respected, who have the ulterior motive of misdirecting people with this dumb ape nonsense, intent upon delaying the true facts in the impossible hope the intelligence of our Forest Friends will never be known.
Why someone would try to defeat legitimate research efforts which will inevitably lead to recognition that our Forest Friends are homo-somethings seems to be a good question.
Perhaps the answer is financial. A "dumb ape" could be killed and the body sold or displayed for a considerable profit. Perhaps there are certain corporations, such as lumber, mining, or ranching interests who would experience a severe negative impact if these people were known to science.
Perhaps the similarity to ourselves threatens the convictions of some people in their beliefs of human superiority of all things on earth.
Perhaps some religious convictions are so firmly held that such a close species to ourselves threatens these belief structures.
We are free at this time to speculate on all of these possibilities, but not for long. Soon, these concerns will gain in significance as more information and greater scientific recognition is gained and we will be forced to directly confront these objections.

[lagan]

Summer of 2002 I visited alot of good habitat areas. And was followed around many, many times, always seemed to be at least two keeping track of me as I moved around their areas.

Sometimes I would almost forget they were following as I stopped alot looking at stuff, wondering what at bedding areas, and such finds of interest. Then when I would move again and they would call out one bird call answered by another, like there he goes wake up and the answer ya I see him. Always staying out of my view.

They could have taken me out at any time as I have seen example of force on trees. But they have been very forgiving of my trespassing in they areas, or I would not still be around.
Not that I have not ticked them off at times, I have, and been skunked and hit by infrasound or something like it very unpleasant, had to learn, I guess.

Then have heard several times, the very fast talking. And the spirit talking a few times also.
And the see through their eyes thing, absolutely takes my breath away, but I think one could get used to it,lol.

Those are a few of my experiences that lead to my opinion that they are much more then just apes,jmo.

lagan

[Marc_footery]

Oh, when I was 16 or 17, and I had my name called out to me, by an unknown to me at the time Bigfoot. That was when I knew they were not a dumb animal. I treated my "friends" as I called them, as just another being in nature. Never have I ever felt scared around them. Acting as I did, they tolerated me, and trusted me. I knew before I knew what a BF was, that they were not some stinky dumb ape. And for the record, they do not stink. They have a smell of anything that has hair or fur all over its body, and that takes a bath.

[pattymac]

I knew before I knew what a BF was, that they were not some stinky dumb ape. And for the record, they do not stink. They have a smell of anything that has hair or fur all over its body, and that takes a bath.

I have never believed they were a dumb ape. They are a people. Just different than us. Some times I believe them to be a more fortunate people than we are. They live love and die free. What could be better than that.
I believe, you are so correct they are not a dumb stinky ape. The only time they have ever had odors that I could detect they intentionally had a scent. This too is for self protection. I guess I am more fortunate than most I have never seen an unkempt one either.

[Tom Shirley]

What most all of us are Researching is a "North American Aboriginal People", not a dumb ape. Yes, they may have some relatively distinctive ape features, but apes do not use a speaking language or fancy their hair with braids and pony tails. Apes are also not that elusive, they were filmed and documented years ago. We are Researching a species here that has a comparable/superior intelligence to ourselves if we lived in the wilds.

We all need to stop calling them Bigfoot and start calling them for what they are, North American Aboriginal People.

[BlueMountainTracker]

My very first experience happened in the Watershed area. I have read somewhere that it is believed that 12 of the BF/(I will call FF) live in the area. I have never seen an article or anything that proves or confirms this.
I really think it is neat that Jan has lived around and been able to talk to them. I have yet to meet anyone that ever thought or was sensitive to the BF/FF as her. She confirms that they live in 'Families'.
I am becoming to think, as I peace the puzzle together, that Jan might be able to talk at them long distance. I really do think that what ever these are(I am still waiting to see one at ten feet, though I have felt ones presence at ten feet) have psychic ability. You all here are very passionate about the FF that I am learning a lot. Toms thread on remote viewing has me thinking we all might try and remote view with our FF sometimes in the near future. I have done it(remote view), and can teach you all what I know.
My daughter and I felt an urgent passion to leave on an occasiion when we were tracking the scream and felt a BF/FF presence. I am sure...that something inside me told me to leave. As I read about the capabilities Jan has, I am grasping a greater Idea on how to formulate my final opinion. I do think that the BF/FF are peacefull people.
As ya all know (I think)...That I will not share with my local papers or surrounding media. I figured if someone was serious , I would be contacted. NO FIELD RESEARCH INVESTIGATOR has ever responded or asked to interview me. I feel...they (BF/FF) have chosen me to hear, sense, feel, see, and discover them...Knowing that I will only communicate with people 'out there'. People around here arent worth my time. The true researchers in the area have died, and i am teaching myself the way without any help at all. I need you all to help me formulate my approach and reason for this research. I have a purpose i do believe. I am so ampt about the season. In August we begin to hear screams at certain times of the evening and late night/Early morning-(Midnightish). I do hope to gather some more evidence.
No I am not going to do book on this subject.At least I am not planning one. I do fear for the safety of myself and the BF, should anyone take me seroius anyway. I know ya all believe me. I think that I will allow Jan and Tom to see most of my stuff from now on before I post it online. I feel, that not only are you two trusted...But i feel confident that you can help me to tone down and do whats best for our BF/FF. Thanx for letting me find ya all, I am learning more every day. I think i am becoming a softy reading all of this really cool conversation. I do believe that you are telling the truth, and thats why i am sticking around like Glue. Thanx for being so forthright Jan and Tom, and all in this thread. You guys have me wondering if i should try and learn the laguage of our FF. Is there any guide research on the pronunciations of their speech?
Can you train me Jan? I feel that you all approach the matter with an honest attempt to protect our FF, and want to only be known as the kind of researcher that has patience and common sense like you all. I may have to change my research practices, and not be so naive. Thanks again for all of the valuable info and participation in your forum. This is one of the best forums around.
Again...I wish that I could talk to them. Should I ever learn...I feel that I may be able to learn from them about myself and others as well. They obviously talk to Jan for a reason.