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Lawrence Leavell
02-26-2008, 01:42 AM
I have been repeatedly disturbed by the fact that my postings on various forums, expressing opinions purely my own, directed at no one in particular, critical of no specific person’s actions, are regularly removed, taken down by the various administrators.

In my posts, I have expressed a general criticism of the basic assumptions that we, as Bigfoot researchers in general, have been operating under now and for more than 50 years. We have assumed we are dealing with non- or semi-intelligent primates incapable of verbal communication. These assumptions have held fast in spite of consistent non-results in our quests for proof of this creature’s existence, assumptions which seem, in view of our abject failure, to deny all reason.

We have tried for more than 50 years to prove the existence of a dumb ape known as Bigfoot. Hundreds of people have invested huge sums of money and untold thousands of hours in this quest. All who have tried to gain scientific proof has been to date been disappointed.

We have devised many methods of catching, trapping, killing, photographing, and otherwise proving the existence of this mysterious species. Nothing has worked, no effort has been successful.

Perhaps we are just bad hunters. This conclusion does not seem to be the case. Many highly accomplished hunters have engaged repeatedly in hunting for a Bigfoot. All such attempts, however, have been met with complete failure.

I would therefore submit that perhaps our base assumptions are incorrect and it is high time we review our techniques based upon a different point of view.

It seems to me that if I spent 50 years unsuccessfully using rabbit poop as bait, then I just might be persuaded to change my assumptions as to what bait might work to catch fish, at which point I just might be considered somewhat slow to figure this out.

I am reminded of the scientist who postulated the grasshopper’s auditory senses were on their legs, so he devised an experiment to determine is grasshoppers could hear with their legs. He began removing one leg at a time, and then exposed the grasshopper to a loud noise. Each time, the grasshopper jumped in response to the noise. He claimed his experiment to be a complete success after he had removed the last leg and the grasshopper ceased to jump at the noise.

Janice Carter holds the view that we seek an intelligent, sentient, sensitive creature, possessed of full verbal speech. This is quite a departure from the accepted description of Bigfoot which may well be derived more from our own prejudices than fact.

Also of mention, perhaps, is the idea of killing a Bigfoot. It would be most convenient for such killers to assign limited intelligence to their prey. If, on the other hand, it was established that Bigfoot were truly a sentient, sensitive species with full communication skills, then it would be difficult if not impossible to have an honest to goodness old time Big Game Hunt with Bigfoot as prey.

Perhaps it is mostly our own egos, our sense of superiority, which compels some of us to reject the possibility that there may actually be another intelligent great ape, one that is not human, and currently existing, intelligent enough to almost completely hide its presence from us.

Janice Carter claims and scientific papers over the past 200 years have stated that these creatures can see in the dark, and that they are as comfortable hunting at night as during the day. Perhaps this is how they avoid us so well. Humans rarely venture our after dark and, when we do, we bring with us artificial lights, lights the Bigfoot can easily see and so avoid.

Perhaps, as with the great cats of Africa, evolution has divided us into night and day groups, daylight versus nocturnal hunters, humans versus Nermanuh (Bigfoot).

In view of the clear and obvious fact that our basic assumptions about these creatures must be incorrect, it seems wholly reasonable to accept the thesis of an intelligent creature. If this is to be accepted, then we also accept that the Bigfoot, as a species, must be accorded legal protection and individual rights.

I am firmly convinced that rabbit poop is poor fish bait.

steve a
02-26-2008, 05:26 AM
As we all know, or some realize any way, when you write on others forum , on assumption, or your on opinion, and believe me , i know what i am talking about here, i have had to many groups my self , that i learned to grasp the human mind a little bit , when it comes to bigfoot , sasquatch, hairy giants, and so on,

people have spent years and money of their own, there fore they are set in their ways as humans do, that they are right, or better be, no matter what, [ this is a closed mind,] that type of attitude is a broad spectrum in the bigfoot business,

we have to bust away from this attitude, and come together as a open minded group of people working together, even Janice Carter will tell you, no one person is right or wrong, or not everybody right, even her, i must insist, that we look for the one person that has more personal experience , with a one on one, daily living with these hominids, and who is that, JANICE CARTER , IS THAT PERSON,

folks lets look at a few things here, jan had a bad past, because of a certain person holding her back, contract wise and personal wise, and i am not naming any body, but now she is out of the box, and free to push for the truth, and the right people motivating her, not holding her back, and you see just some of the results, on this forum, this is just the beginning, yes it takes time, and time is precious right now, but our biggest endeavor, is money, ,

there are some here who has spent a fortune in getting things done, and they know who i am talking about, i wished i had money to put every cent in to this, i have prayed to the lord for this, many times, but i dont have it, i am just keeping things going the best i can, here are a few of our needs, not wants , but real needs, a 4 wheel drive used suv, not expensive, more then one camera, a base of operations, to film bigfoot on, feeding stations, more people donating time and money, and we not asking, this has to be thru faith, , good camcorders, audio equipment, all high resolution, this is just a few, , one or two people cant do this, we need millionaires involved , or people that can donate a little at a time, i work a piddly job to keep people in a home, warm , safe , so they can do what has to be done, at the age of 60, , i am not asking for credit, but to show i give all i can to do what we can do, plus go out on research, as much as i can, and give results to jan as copy right,
i work with other researchers to motivate them and get them out there to do what they can, i try to over look what bad closed minded people say on other groups, you have to do this, we have started a great group here and great opportunity, to do what we said we can do, so lets do it,

here is what lawrence and jan mean about language, , please try to under stand this, no one has explained it this way, so here goes, a human talks like i am typing, a space between each image, in other words, i ask , DO YOU WANT GOOD WILL, the bigfoot asks, GOODWILLYOUWANT, SEE THE DIFFERENCE, now, i say, WHO ARE YOU, the bigfoot asks, whoooareeyouuuu, AND IT COMES OUT AS GROWL, OR A SCREAM EVEN, so it goes on like this,
you must learn the difference , before you learn the language, listen to the tapes over and over again and again,
as i said before, i have heard tapes in indiana , and they speak with a different accent, but the same way here as in tennessee, all run together, in indaina they say WHOOAREETHEEEE, we believe they had been in habitation with amish groups that live around them, that makes sense,

it takes a little insight , to open your mind, you must say stop, what if this person is right and i am wrong, or what if i am right and this person is wrong,we must learn to handle human attitudes differently, with a one on one personal person to person, with a attitude of , what if, open your minds and then your heart , and go for the truth, dont get frustrated , because some other groups closed mind, or their kill attitude, i have been thru this from my own groups in the past, and you will lose your self to self destruction, i had to learn the hard way, even in this group, Lawrence i hope this helps you some what,

Jan
03-11-2008, 07:08 AM
rabbit poop is poor fish bait. To quote herein from both Lawrence and Steve, and not get caught up with that same old rabbit poop.

(Janice Carter holds the view that we seek an intelligent, sentient, sensitive creature, possessed of full verbal speech. This is quite a departure from the accepted description of Bigfoot which may well be derived more from our own prejudices than fact.)

I don't hold this in view that they are intelligent, sentient, sensitive creatures possessed of full verbal speech, I know this as a fact from my own observances and interaction with them. Until someone can prove otherwise, that they are just a big dumb ape, which by the way most all primates are to some degree intelligent, sentient, sensitive, vocalizing, (note I did not say possessed of full verbal speech, but they do vocalize) creatures; I'm not going to buy into my being crazy running all over the country side and different states researching and interacting with whomever these unique creatures are talking to them and understanding what the heck they say to me. Point blank: Prove me wrong, or let me prove to you I'm right. I'll accept a challenger any day of the week, because I know I can prove I'm correct. All anyone has to do is give me a little of their time. I'm not being egotistical here, I know what I know because I learned this from the hard school of knock by being placed out there among these FF from a very young age and then placing myself out there among them. I want to know more about them. I'm not the expert here, and no one else is either, but if my bait works better than that old rabbit poop then I think it would be fair to ask them to consider my bait for a change.

(In view of the clear and obvious fact that our basic assumptions about these creatures must be incorrect, it seems wholly reasonable to accept the thesis of an intelligent creature. If this is to be accepted, then we also accept that the Bigfoot, as a species, must be accorded legal protection and individual rights.)

Amen!!! You said a mouth full there brother. I'll see this through or I'll die trying, they need and must be accorded legal protection and individual rights.

As to the dictatorship of what I or any other researcher may or may not say or tell on any forum, I don't play that darn game. If I or others can not answer any questions freely in our own way without supposable offending someone or being censored and our replies only half way given or not at all then these other so called forums can do what one of my old friends use to say "WHIP IT!!", because I for one am not willing to waste my time on them. Either they wish to hear the truth, or they couldn't give a rats a** otherwise, if it is the latter, it isn't worth the effort or time we spend on trying to type and tell them about it.

( folks lets look at a few things here, jan had a bad past, because of a certain person holding her back, contract wise and personal wise, and i am not naming any body, but now she is out of the box, and free to push for the truth, and the right people motivating her, not holding her back, and you see just some of the results, on this forum, this is just the beginning, yes it takes time, and time is precious right now, but our biggest endeavor, is money,)

Yes Steve, I'm out of the box, or if you like out of the gates, off and running, with the bit firmly clamped in my mouth. I use to have a race horse that would flip her tongue over the top of the bit and clamp it between her teeth gaining control. This led to our having to tie her tongue down and out to the side in order to control her better. Cruel but effective, and they still do this with your higher strung thoroughbreds that race and clamp the bit in this way. Anyway, until someone ties my tongue down and gains control of the bit in my mouth, I'm in control of this rat race and free to push and run toward the truth. Yes many of you here are my motivation and keep me going, so that we all can eventually get to that truth in full. Members of the corporation here know we didn't dream this forum up over night. We sat and planned on how we would conduct it, what we would offer toward it, how to make it as scientific as we possibly could, how to better help educate people to what we really are dealing with here, FF/Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Almast/Almasty/ Orang Pendek/Nermanuh or whatever one likes to call these unique creatures/individuals. I guess Creature is a fair enough term, as we all were created at some point, but I don't necessarily like that term. I prefer to call them what Fox and a lot of others call their selves "Nermanuh meaning The People".

Time is precious, and none of us are getting any younger. Money is a bigger issue, but I remain reluctant to ask for donations because of past experiences I'd rather not disclose. How can we raise money for research? So far the only idea we have come up with was to sell shares in the corporation. Yet in order to sell those shares to individuals, they first have to believe in what the corporation represents and what our endeavors are. No one is going to give us any grant money because no one in their right mind would do so when we say we need it for further research into the Bigfoot/Sasquatch whatever. Their going to laugh us out of the building. I've tried to think of better ideas for funding but so far nothing has actually worked. I'm fresh out of ideas.

I will say this and I'll not mention name for fear of getting strangled the next I see this man in person. One man has carried the full load of funding mine and other corporate members research so far. This man has spent out to date over 65 grand at my last count on this research and not gotten a penny in return and very slow results for all of his hard earned cash that he has spent out on us. Now I'm fixing to make some of you mad here, but frankly the truth hurts and you need to be lectured and so do I. But, this just isn't fair to this man, and we have got to get up off our behinds and all push for faster results and figure a way to lighten this man's load. I am more than a little upset that at times all of us take it for granted that this man is going to be there to pick us up when we fall on our faces in the mud and brush us off and keep handing out without receiving in return. This man may at times come across as a hard nose, but the truth is he is a very caring person that really wears his heart on his shirt sleeve. So my statement to everyone that is a member is this: Either take that crap or get off the can, other people have needs also. Not a one of us is any better than the other. I'm not taking my spite out on anyone, the good Lord knows I fall short myself of my own expectations. All I am asking is for everyone to give as much as they receive expectation wise. All right I'm getting off the soap box now, maybe.

Honestly folks, I'm not a total hateful, another name for a female dog here. I'm pretty friendly and willing to lend a helping hand when someone ask. I do get aggravated and totally frustrated at times, even with myself. I try to treat others as I would like to be treated, however in this so called research community at large, I'm not always well thought of. Doesn't matter, as long as I can reach a few at a time and hopefully help educate and open their minds to what I consider a better method of researching and eventually protecting these Forest Friend People.

Yours,
Jan